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According to ... ( 2 months ago por dalmatian847)
According to Article 239: "No citizen who has already served as head of the Executive Branch can be President or Vice-President. Whoever violates this law or proposes its reform as well as those that support such violation directly or indirectly, will immediately cease in their functions and will be unable to hold any public office for a period of 10 years."
Note that it speaks about intent and that it also says "immediately" as " in "no trial required," "no impeachment needed."
Array ( 2 months ago por yoiuoisad)
@dalmatian847
Why werent the congressmen who proposed it arrested, there were 2 proposals. And for practical means who determines if these laws have been broken.
SECTION 239 relates ... ( 2 months ago por dalmatian847)
SECTION 239 relates to the President or vice-president specifically. So no, it appears those in the highest offices are subjected to this specific section of the Constitution.
Not every citizen can declare themselves President for life, Zelaya was working on circumventing the sysyem, he got called on it.
It was entirely proper. I see you have not learned from the last guy who brought this up to you a month ago.
Array ( 2 months ago por yoiuoisad)
@dalmatian847
If Zelaya wasnt president when he was sent to costa rica why did the congress accept his resignation?
One more time, ... ( 2 months ago por dalmatian847)
One more time, SECTION 239 specifically relates to the PRESIDENT OR VICE PRESIDENT. Was Zelaya the President?
One more time, THE SUPREME COURT determines,( much like in the U.S) apparently if these laws have been broken.
They determined they obviously were.
I don't claim to be an expert on Hondouran Law , but this section seems obviously to relate to the Presidency, not to Congressman.
In the U.S Presidents are impeached, Congressmen recalled. Different position=-different standards.
One more time, ... ( 2 months ago por dalmatian847)
One more time, follow along if you can. First off it's given he was President. Secondly , it says", will immediately cease in their functions "Section 239
His powers were therefore stripped, not his title. Big difference.
A better question to ask is why Zelaya would be stupid enough to think he could pull this off? Maybe he thought Uncle Hugo had his back.
How can a man be this oblivious to the Constitution he was sworn to uphold ?
He can't be this dumb, so it's INTENT.
Article 239: "No ... ( 2 months ago por yoiuoisad)
Article 239: "No citizen who has already served as head of the Executive Branch can be President or Vice-President. Whoever violates this law or proposes its reform as well as those that support such violation directly or indirectly, will immediately cease in their functions and will be unable to hold any public office for a period of 10 years."
I talks about those who support the violation. Remember Zelaya never proposed the constitutional assembly 2 different parties did in congress,.
yoiuoisad: Article ... ( 1 month ago por REALHONDURAS)
yoiuoisad: Article 239 specifically states that no one can propose the reform of a REELECTION, it doesnt say anything about a reform to the CONSTITUTION .Article 373 allows those 2 different parties to submit a reform to congress, only passing if 2/3 of congress vote for it. So an answer to your question those two parties broke no laws and there is no reason for you to call for there arrest............
..........on ... ( 1 month ago por REALHONDURAS)
..........on another note... congress voted against the proposal for a REFORM OF THE CONSTITUTION (notice no mention about reelection). While Zelaya on the other hand his proposal was for a reform on the constitution for REELECTION......afterwards he was told many times it was illegal and not to porsue it, yet he didnt listen even saying "they can arrest me if they want".
Array ( 1 month ago por yoiuoisad)
@REALHONDURAS
It says who ever proposes to reform this law. Besides Zelaya never proposed to reform this law neither the assembly.
By the way zelaya ... ( 1 month ago por yoiuoisad)
By the way zelaya never spoke of reforming the reelection. He never even proposed the constitutional assembly or the revision of the reelection part. He was making a survey.
survey, polling, ... ( 1 month ago por REALHONDURAS)
survey, polling, questionare, what ever you would like to call it... it was still illegal. Zelaya was warned many times even before legal procedures took place. He ignored them all including the legal procedures that led to his arrest, basically he felt he was the executive,judicial, and legislative branch.
Chronological order ... ( 1 month ago por REALHONDURAS)
Chronological order of the events that lead to Zelayas legal removal of power:
March 23, 2009: Zelaya issued Executive Decree PCM-05 2009 ordering a public consultation (referendum) throughout the national territory so that the Honduran people could vote as to whether, during the 2009 general elections, a fourth ballot box should be installed at the polling stations to decide whether to convene a National Constituent Assembly for the PURPOSE OF DRAFTING A NEW POLITICAL CONSTITUTION......
......The same ... ( 1 month ago por REALHONDURAS)
......The same decree gave a mandate to the National Institute of Statistics to take charge of the survey.
May 8, 2009: The ... ( 1 month ago por REALHONDURAS)
May 8, 2009: The Chief Prosecutor, acting as guarantor of the Constitution, filed a lawsuit before the Court of Administrative Litigation requesting that the Court declare the ILLEGALITY AND NULLITY of the administrative act carried out by the Executive Branch under the Executive Decree.
May 26, 2009: ... ( 1 month ago por REALHONDURAS)
May 26, 2009: Zelaya issued another Executive Decree PCM-19-2009, rescinding the previous Decree and ordering a national poll on the same issue to be conducted on June 28, 2009. The next day, the Court of Administrative Litigation issued a ruling ordering the President to suspend the Public Consultation and all acts in its support.
May 29, 2009: The ... ( 1 month ago por REALHONDURAS)
May 29, 2009: The Court of Administrative Litigation clarified its ruling, stating that:
Suspension of the consultation ordered on March 23, 2009, includes any other administrative act, whether general or particular, which has been issued or might be issued, wether explicitly or implicitly.....
........ by ... ( 1 month ago por REALHONDURAS)
........ by publication or lack thereof in the Official Gazette, which might be conducive to the same administrative act which has been suspended, as any other procedural consultation or question which may be designed to avoid obeying this ruling.
Array ( 1 month ago por yoiuoisad)
@REALHONDURAS
A non-binding survey isnt a consultation.
A "non-binding ... ( 1 month ago por REALHONDURAS)
A "non-binding survey" with governmental money, no budget proposal for an election year, and with many iregularities, including the firing of the comander in chief for not following an unconstitutional order to provide logistics.
Array ( 1 month ago por yoiuoisad)
@REALHONDURAS
Yet again it doesnt change the fact his removal was ilegal
Yeah everybody ... ( 1 month ago por REALHONDURAS)
Yeah everybody understand that the correct action was not to let him free in a neutral country but to arrest him. That in no way shape or form means Zelaya should return to power, he still has to be responsible for his crimes. Zelaya was no longer president of Honduras when he was let free, he broke multiple constitutional laws.
Array ( 1 month ago por yoiuoisad)
@REALHONDURAS
Yet the constitution gives zelaya the right to trial, in which he could have been suspended. And also the right to pressume of inocense.
Array ( 1 month ago por yoiuoisad)
@REALHONDURAS
I have already told you only the police can perform arrests. Whoever ordered these "arrest" violet honduran criminal proceedings and the constitution. Besides, since he didnt propose to reform the article concerning reelection he was still president



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